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Post by dindon1 on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:28 am

I have come across a land title and it has described the extent of the land in old style sinhalese way and I dont understand that.
Can any one in this forum(specially if you are a lawyer)explain that to me how many in Acres ,roots and perches:
Wee Paalak?
daha hathara(14) Laahaka pamana wee wapasariya ?
Kurrakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariya
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Post by kasper on Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:48 pm

http://www.dailynews.lk/2001/pix/PrintPage.asp?REF=/2010/05/10/fea25.asp
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Post by Slstock on Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:13 pm



Great find. According to article the answers to you problem is below.

Note that though the measurements and areas are roughly accurate due to physical factors used in these measurement schemes the "amount" can vary a little in modern day.


Pala = 0.5 acre roughly ( extent over which 10 laha of paddy could be sown)

Seruwa = 4 hundu

14 laha = hundu 24 x 14 = seru 6x14



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Post by Slstock on Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:22 pm

@dindon1 wrote:I have come across a land title and it has described the extent of the land in old style sinhalese way and I dont understand that.
Can any one in this forum(specially if you are a lawyer)explain that to me how many in Acres ,roots and perches:
Wee Paalak?
daha hathara(14) Laahaka pamana wee wapasariya ?
Kurrakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariya
?
Thank you

Okay. You should be happy that a forum on equity can answer ancient measurement schemes.

We have some talent here to do research ( Kasper).

Anyway for the benefit of the members who like to study such things , can you actually post the NON personal content of the deed in sinhalese letters as in the original document?

Ex :
You said paalak. Wapasiriya, Laaha

How is it typed in Sinhalese?


Again I reiterate that we do not want to know the personal details of owner ship etc just the content where the pala, laha etc is mentioned. You can post in sinhalse as in the document.

When you translate to english ( as you have done ) the traditional pronunciation as in the deed was gone. Thats why I am asking so I can comapre. Hpw old is the document do you know?



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Post by Kithsiri on Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:24 pm

This is very interesting and shows how little we (sorry I Embarassed ) know.
Let’s see the original texts as suggested.
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Post by dindon1 on Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:50 pm

Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,

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Post by Slstock on Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:03 pm

@dindon1 wrote:Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,


It is over 2 acres then it atleast has to be a "amuna" .

14 laha is under 1 acre.


One thing to note is the location this land is situated in. The general consensus is what we discussed. But from area to area there can be some variations.

What area ( disctrcit) is this in . Also how old is this deed do you think.
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Post by Kithsiri on Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:08 pm

Try this one to write in Sinhala,
http://www.google.com/transliterate/sinhalese
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Post by dindon1 on Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:18 pm

@Kithsiri wrote:Try this one to write in Sinhala,
http://www.google.com/transliterate/sinhalese

Thanks! you are a champion!
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Post by kasper on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:30 am

@dindon1 wrote:Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,


Pls note that land areas are measured using "KURAKKAN" measurments while paddy fields are measured using Paddy measurments. Land measured by "Kurakkan Seruwa" is much bigger than that of "Paddy Seruwa". I think owner must be right.
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Post by rijayasooriya on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:04 am

@dindon1 wrote:Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,

වී පෑලක නොහොත් දැනට වී 14 ලාහක පමන වපසරිය ඇති කුඹුරට සහ ඊට යාවූ පිල්ලෑව කුරක්කන් සේරුවක පමන වපසරියටත්
Havn't u guys heard about that famous court case in which a murderer get escaped due to problem in words ?
වී කොලයකට මුවා වෙලා වෙඩි තිබ්බා was the accusation.
Lawyer presented a වී කොලය and asked that Can anyone shoot undercoverof such a leaf ?
But in ancient sinhala වී කොලය means ගොයම් ගස් ගොඩක්.
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Post by Slstock on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:09 am

@kasper wrote:
@dindon1 wrote:Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,


Pls note that land areas are measured using "KURAKKAN" measurments while paddy fields are measured using Paddy measurments. Land measured by "Kurakkan Seruwa" is much bigger than that of "Paddy Seruwa". I think owner must be right.

The deed has 2 parts

1) wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata
2) saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat

part 1: wee kumbura is under 1 acre it seems as the deed talks about a "pala" or 14 "laha"
part 2 : kurakkan seruvaka sowing can it be another 1.5 acres ( for the owner to be telling the truth)

You will need to check on this .
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Post by Slstock on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:22 am

@rijayasooriya wrote:
@dindon1 wrote:Thanks for every one saving me time and of course money.,Kasper you have done a good job and thanks,slstock and kithsiri thank you for your comments too.,I am sorry that I dont know how to write in sinhalese
Now in this particular title it says
]i]wee paalaka nohoth danata wee daha hathara (14) laahaka pamana wapasariya athi kumburata saha eeta yaawoo pillawa kurakkan seruwaka pamana wapasariyatat [/i]

According to you guys, the above mentioned extent of the land is some thing like, lesser than an acre.
But according to the owner of the land it is 2.5 Acres to 3 Acres.,So I ve been misled by the owner I guess.,
Thanks for your valuable feed and appreciate it.,

වී පෑලක නොහොත් දැනට වී 14 ලාහක පමන වපසරිය ඇති කුඹුරට සහ ඊට යාවූ පිල්ලෑව කුරක්කන් සේරුවක පමන වපසරියටත්
Havn't u guys heard about that famous court case in which a murderer get escaped due to problem in words ?
වී කොලයකට මුවා වෙලා වෙඩි තිබ්බා was the accusation.
Lawyer presented a වී කොලය and asked that Can anyone shoot undercoverof such a leaf ?
But in ancient sinhala වී කොලය means ගොයම් ගස් ගොඩක්.

Yes, this was not so long ago I think. I heard my mother mentioning this famous story.
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Post by Kithsiri on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:29 am

@rijayasooriya wrote:Havn't u guys heard about that famous court case in which a murderer get escaped due to problem in words ?
වී කොලයකට මුවා වෙලා වෙඩි තිබ්බා was the accusation.
Lawyer presented a වී කොලය and asked that Can anyone shoot undercoverof such a leaf ?
But in ancient sinhala වී කොලය means ගොයම් ගස් ගොඩක්.
This is becoming more interesting now.
If I am not mistaken that argument (presented by CRdeS) was not accepted and the accusers were given jail terms.
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Re: Need Help-Nothing to do with the stock market

Post by Chinwi on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:10 pm

Just a small correction:

But in ancient sinhala වී කොලය means ගොයම් ගස් ගොඩක්.

Wee kolaya means the mount of harvested paddy packed in a shape of a dome.

වී කොලය කියන්නේ ගොයම් කපල පාගන්න කලින් අඩි 6-7 ක් උසට ගෝලයක් ලෙස ගොඩගහල තියෙන එකට. එකේ වී කරල් ඇතුල් පැත්තට තියල තමයි උඩට උඩට වටේට pack කරන්නේ. එතකොට වැස්සක් ආවත් වටේ තියෙන ගොයම් ගස් වහලක් වගේ ක්‍රියා කරලා වැහි බින්දු එලියට බේරෙනවා.

ඉතින් ගොයම් කොලේ ට මුවා වෙලා වෙඩි තියන්න නෙවි තව දේවල් කරන්න පුළුවන් (ලු). මතකද එක චිත්‍රපටියක කොල්ලයි කෙල්ලයි .... :-)
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Re: Need Help-Nothing to do with the stock market

Post by rijayasooriya on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:21 pm

@Chinwi wrote:Just a small correction:

But in ancient sinhala වී කොලය means ගොයම් ගස් ගොඩක්.

Wee kolaya means the mount of harvested paddy packed in a shape of a dome.

වී කොලය කියන්නේ ගොයම් කපල පාගන්න කලින් අඩි 6-7 ක් උසට ගෝලයක් ලෙස ගොඩගහල තියෙන එකට. එකේ වී කරල් ඇතුල් පැත්තට තියල තමයි උඩට උඩට වටේට pack කරන්නේ. එතකොට වැස්සක් ආවත් වටේ තියෙන ගොයම් ගස් වහලක් වගේ ක්‍රියා කරලා වැහි බින්දු එලියට බේරෙනවා.

ඉතින් ගොයම් කොලේ ට මුවා වෙලා වෙඩි තියන්න නෙවි තව දේවල් කරන්න පුළුවන් (ලු). මතකද එක චිත්‍රපටියක කොල්ලයි කෙල්ලයි .... :-)
Thanks for the explanation.I know that it is the mount of harvested paddy but I do not know about that mechanism.Thanks again.
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